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is still being stunted by the election results, and the effects of superstorm sandy. joining us with the latest on that, bill dunkleberg, chief economist at the national federation of independent business. bill, in reading your findings, am i wrong to say you found that it really wasn't sandy, that it was the election results, and if that's true, how do we give -- can we give the president the benefit of the doubt in that maybe it just, the election results means that the cliff is front and center? the cliff would not have been front and center with romney because he would have probably just extended all the bush tax cuts, i think. so is it the election result that's causing this? and is it the president himself? or the gridlock that it's causing with republicans? >> i think you basically have it right. we spent billions of dollars and then woke up the day after the election and nothing had changed and i think that's the issue. because the management team couldn't reach agreement on how to deal with the problem that was coming up, so we were stuck with the same kind of managemen
of that is sandy. you can't disentangle it. i'm sure it would have been better if it weren't for the uncertainty. we saw how bad it was in the summer of '11 and it will be the same now. >> i very much agree with ian on this point, that the uncertainty is associated with the fiscal cliff is at least a percentage point on the fourth quarter. and could be more than that. it's just a lurking weight on the business sector. and if we are going to get this growth, i think we've got to have a little bit more certainty on taxes, on regulation, and the trajectory of fiscal policy going forward. >> what i hear you both saying, though, and you're talking about spending issue, and not worrying so much about that, but i also hear you saying it would be a big mistake to raise taxes. >> absolutely. yeah. >> but the top 2%, is that the least deleterious people to raise it on? >> yeah, it would be. but right now i'd prefer not to raise taxes on anybody. but if you're going to do it, then the people at the lowest propensity to consume -- >> you don't buy that small businesses fall under that? >> no, most small bus
in sandy hook, last friday, in my view, should be banned. that is not a -- i don't believe that that abridges someone's second amendment rights. the high capacity magazines do not abridge people's constitutional rights. and i think you're seeing more and more people on all sides of this issue come to the table and say, let's reason together, and look at how we avoid the situation in the future. >> congresswoman we're going to have to leave it there. this is a conversation that, of course, is going to continue. we thank you for joining us this morning. >> up next, former omb director david stockman ready to rise above and tell us why he thinks the fed is at the heart of the problem when it comes to solving our nation's budget woes. "squawk box" will be right back. time to market reduced... those are good things. upstairs, they will see fantasy. not fantasy... logistics. ups came in, analyzed our supply chain, inventory systems... ups? ups. not fantasy? who would have thought? i did. we did, bob. we did. got it. we believe the more you know, the better you trade. so we have o
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